A Q&A with Tom Rath, Author of What's the Point?

Purpose isn't something you find. It's something you build every day, during every meeting, throughout every task, guided by one defining question: What's the point?

In his most personal and provocative book yet, #1 New York Times bestselling author Tom Rath—whose books from How Full Is Your Bucket? to StrengthsFinder 2.0 and Eat Move Sleep have shaped a generation—reveals that your daily superpower isn't your title, your salary, or your "brand." It's your ability to contribute to others. 

In What's the Point?, Rath combines the rigor of a researcher with the candor of a friend who refuses to let you settle. This book is not for the weak-hearted. It's a direct challenge to stop sleepwalking through your career and start doing the work only you can do. Whether you're 18 and getting started, or 48 and restless, What's the Point? is a roadmap for packing more life into your work, starting today.

Tom Rath recently took some time ahead of the launch the book next week to answer seven questions from Porchlight. That exchange is below.

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Porchlight Book Company: You’ve long been a student, as you say, of “what works,” and have put the knowledge you’ve gained from that inquiry into previous best-selling books about how to achieve success. This new book moves the line of inquiry from what works to why we work, and that makes What’s the Point? a departure from your previous, more prescriptive books. What led you to change the question, and what do you hope readers take away from it?

Tom Rath: For most of my career, I wrote books about what works—how to apply your strengths, how to build engagement, how to be more effective. Those books helped millions of people get better at what they were already doing. But when I turned 40—an age I wasn't supposed to reach, given the genetic cancer I was diagnosed with at 15—I looked at my own life and realized I had been living someone else's definition of success.

I was chasing metrics I hadn't chosen. I had become very good at answering "what works" without ever stopping to ask whether the thing I was working on was worth doing in the first place. That was the beginning of this book. "What's the point?" turns out not to be a philosophical question at all. It's the most practical question you can ask, and the answer changes everything about how you spend the 960 minutes you get today.

PBC: You write early in the book that “The word ‘work’ itself is broken.” One way you suggest fixing it is by asking the reader to change their individual perspective on work from “What do you do?” to “Who do you help?” Can you tell us how you came to that simple, yet profound paradigm shift and what it does for those who make it?

TR: The shift came from watching people I know introduce themselves at dinner parties. Within ten seconds of meeting a stranger, we volunteer our job title as if it were our soul. "What do you do?" trains us to measure ourselves by activity and status rather than contribution.

I interviewed Jason who had spent 25 years in tech—by every external measure, he was succeeding. He was also dead inside. What changed his life wasn't a promotion; it was taking a seat on the board of his son's school and eventually running it. 
He took a pay cut and doubled the funding. When I asked him what was different, he told me he could finally see the faces of the people his work helped. "Who do you help?" reorients you from dashboards to faces. It's a small change in wording and a complete change in life.

PBC: It is not the only change in mindset you suggest making. I'd like to use the rest of my questions to focus on some more of them. First, can you tell us why you believe a sense of purpose is a better path to reaching one's potential than pursuing passion, and how can we nurture it?

TR: Passion is cotton candy. It feels wonderful for a moment, and it doesn't sustain anyone. I learned this the hard way at 22, when a well-meaning counselor asked me what my passion was. I had already lost one eye to cancer, and I'd been told I had maybe twenty years left. I didn't have the luxury of waiting around for passion to arrive. 

So I did what the research now confirms is the better path: I found something that needed doing and got good at it. In a nine-year study of 4,660 people, purpose—not passion—predicted both success and income. I've interviewed hundreds of successful professionals, and exactly one attributed their success to following their passion. The rest told me some version of the same story: they found work that mattered, became competent at it, and discovered meaning through contribution.

Fulfillment follows competence; it does not precede it. To nurture purpose, stop asking what you love and start asking what's needed around you that you could be useful at. Meaning shows up once you do.

PBC: Can you explain why significance is more important than job satisfaction at work? 

TR: Job satisfaction is a survey score. Significance is what the survey can't measure. Doubling your income produces roughly a nine percent bump in happiness, and then the treadmill resets—somebody on your team is now making more, and you feel poor at a million dollars a year because your peers are at two. That's the status game, and it's zero-sum by design.

Significance works differently. Significance is when your daily effort is making another human being's life better, and the research is unambiguous: contribution to others is the single biggest driver of long-term wellbeing, not job satisfaction, not title, not compensation. I watched a marketing executive named Julia move from a relentless drive to outperform her peers to what she called "competing against problems rather than people." Her significance went through the roof—and so, incidentally, did her career.

PBC: How can we move from being a passive consumer of content to fostering what you call a “creator identity,” and why do you believe it is important for us to do so?

TR: We have become a nation of spectators scrolling through other people's lives while our own potential quietly rots. Eighty percent of smartphone users check their phones within fifteen minutes of waking up; we have replaced reflection with reaction. And every interruption costs you—Gloria Mark's research shows it takes more than 23 minutes to fully recover from one. Five interruptions a day is 500 lost hours a year. That's twelve and a half work weeks we surrender to consumption.

A creator identity is the antidote, and it's less about talent than about protected time: 90- to 120-minute windows where you're producing something rather than reacting to something. And here's the part people get backwards: you don't create because you already see yourself as successful. You become successful because you've internalized a creator identity. You become a creator by creating. Every morning the question is simply: today, spectator or creator?

PBC: You suggest that prioritizing our relationships with others is a better path to success than pursuing personal achievements. Can you explain why, and how one’s impact may spread beyond what they can witness for themselves?

TR: Look at the end of any life and ask what mattered. Bronnie Ware, a palliative care nurse, spent years recording the regrets of the dying. The top five included wishing they hadn't worked so hard, wishing they had stayed in touch with friends, wishing they had let themselves be happier. Not one person regretted not earning more money. David Brooks has drawn the distinction between "resume virtues" and "eulogy virtues," and almost all of us spend our days optimizing for the resume.

Consider Bill Campbell—a middling Columbia football coach with a 12-41 record who became the most influential coach in Silicon Valley history. He coached Steve Jobs, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Jeff Bezos. He refused interviews, wouldn't put his name on anything, and deflected every success to the people he developed. The impact radiates in ways you will never be able to track.

The person you mentor mentors someone else, who influences another, and your fingerprints are on decisions being made in rooms you'll never enter. Your greatest achievement isn't what you build for yourself. It's what you help other people become.

PBC: That is a great segue into my final question. Can you speak to why those most obsessed with constructing their own legacy often fail to leave as big a mark as those more quietly focused on doing the work while remaining relatively uninterested in reward or recognition? And what is the clearest path to making a positive impact?

TR: The night before my grandfather died, I stood in a hallway and watched a hospice nurse read aloud from a novel to his unconscious body. He couldn't hear her. He couldn't thank her. She was not going to be recognized, reviewed, or rewarded for any of it, and she read with perfect animation for twenty minutes anyway. 

In a world that has trained us to measure our worth in likes and views, I have never witnessed a purer act of contribution. She was planting seeds for a harvest she would never see. Here is the paradox: the people most obsessed with crafting their legacy rarely create anything worth remembering, while the ones focused on the work itself leave the most profound marks on history.

The moment you start optimizing for how you'll be remembered, you stop doing the work worth remembering. Andrew Carnegie gave away more than ninety percent of his fortune, but he didn't start with legacy in mind—he started with contribution, and the legacy followed. Jonas Salk couldn't have pictured every child his vaccine would save. He developed it anyway. The ultimate diagnostic is this: what would you create if no one would ever know it came from you? If the answer is nothing, you aren't yet building anything that matters.

 

About the Author

Tom is an author and researcher who studies how our careers can improve health and wellbeing. He has written 12 books that have sold more than 10 million copies and made hundreds of appearances on global bestseller lists. Tom’s first book, How Full Is Your Bucket?, was an instant #1 New York Times bestseller and led to a series of books that are used in classrooms around the world. His book StrengthsFinder 2.0 was listed as Amazon’s top selling non-fiction book of all time.

Tom’s other bestsellers include Strengths Based Leadership, Wellbeing, Eat Move Sleep, and Are You Fully Charged?. He has also co-authored two illustrated books for children, How Full Is Your Bucket? for Kids and The Rechargeables.

Tom started his career at Gallup, working with his grandfather (psychologist Don Clifton) to launch one of the first online personality assessments that would go on to help over 35 million people to find their strengths. He went on to lead their workplace consulting and was a Senior Scientist. Tom also served as Vice-Chair of the VHL cancer research organization and was a regular lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania.

Tom is currently the Managing Director of CareerSight, a company dedicated to helping people of all ages to see more careers and purposes they can serve in a rapidly changing world. Tom is a graduate of the University of Michigan and the University of Pennsylvania and lives in Arlington, Virginia with his wife, Ashley, and their two children.

 

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